Re: Prequel to the Harry Potter series, books 1-7 « Reply #2 on Jun 5, 2008, 10:07pm »
I agree with you Pat. Everyone has been waiting for a "prequel" because there are a lot of unanswered questions about the Mauraders (ex. How did James get HeadBoy if he was never a prefect?) and she would make money off of the sales. Or if she wanted the money to go to charity she could do what she did with "Fantastic Beasts" and "Quidditch" books and have all the profits go to charity. What is our Jo thinking?
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It seems as if a charity got together 13 authors gave them an index card and told them to write a story. It's not really an "official" prequel but something she wrote off the top of her head.
"Organizers refused to comment on the content of Rowling's Harry Potter prequel, but Hogwarts fans hoping for another book to add to their collection may be disappointed by her signoff.
"From the prequel I am not working on — but that was fun!" Rowling wrote."
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Re: Prequel to the Harry Potter series, books 1-7 « Reply #4 on Jun 9, 2008, 4:12pm »
What do you mean by "official"? Do you mean "Canon"? Because canon doesn't mean that every idea she writes about HP is true. I don't think that the "prequel" she wrote is actual canon. It can be, because I'm sure she has notes about the Marauders era but it doesn't mean that it actually happened.
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Re: Prequel to the Harry Potter series, books 1-7 « Reply #5 on Jun 10, 2008, 10:16pm »
Yes those books are canon. Because they are published. Generally "Canon" means "published work". There are different types of "Canon". The Bible for instance is Canon but the texts that are considered "Lost Books" are not. They are published texts but they were not included in the Bible we know today.
The 800 word prequel will not be, what I believe, considered "Canon" for the fact that it is not a published work. As she said "For the prequel I am not working on" is indication that it was most likely just a random thought going through her head from the thousands she had probably had thought of while writing the history for the books. We won't know which version is the true story unless she actually writes and publishes it. Does that help?
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Re: Prequel to the Harry Potter series, books 1-7 « Reply #6 on Jun 10, 2008, 11:27pm »
I disagree, I think the 800 word prequel would be canon. Canon can also refer to what is official - or in the case of the Bible, books which are inspired by God... Since JK is "God" or the creator in the Harry Potter world, I'd say anything she writes should be considered canon... I know I would consider her prequel canon and my friends whom i've discussed it with would as well... She wrote it, therefore it is true.
...the "offshoot" books (Quidditch...ages, Fantastical Beasts) help round out the world...and let's not forget The Tales of Beedle the Bard wasn't published, but if it isn't canon then the Deathly Hallows sure loses its meaning...
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Re: Prequel to the Harry Potter series, books 1-7 « Reply #9 on Jun 11, 2008, 4:58pm »
Well that was mildly entertaining but rather unsatisfying. The simple inclusion of who were on the brooms would have made the story a lot better..... Ah well. I still love her.
Re: Prequel to the Harry Potter series, books 1-7 « Reply #10 on Jun 11, 2008, 7:53pm »
It was a cute story. Kind of hard to read too. But at first when they were talking about how they were late and spouted off names I was like "omg, Harry's being born!" but nothing came of that. I definitely don't think that there is anything to be called "canon" with this.
Jenny, I firmly believe that just because someone wrote something about a topic they were working on, instantly constitutes it as canon. I mean, Malfoy wasn't Draco's original last name (can't think of it off the top of my head), but she originally wrote it to be. So, which one is canon and how can you tell? Because Malfoy is the published name. As for The Tales of Beetle the Bard I don't consider the stories inside, besides the Deathly Hallows, to be canon but the book itself is. Before we knew that she was writing the "Tales", it held magic and significance to us without knowing what they were about. So, are you saying that now that the stories are written and if they aren't considered canon they lose all their meaning? Why?
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Re: Prequel to the Harry Potter series, books 1-7 « Reply #11 on Jun 11, 2008, 8:45pm »
I agree with Jenny, I consider this Canon to the stories... the same way I consider those unpublished notes of background info to be canon... like Dean's backstory that never made it into the books. Obviously she has drafts that have changed which you have pointed out like Malfoys name, but I think things she's published without the caveat of having been re-written or changed are completely canon. I see this short story has having "existed" or "happened" in her world and to me that is the difference. I consider "Tales" to be the same because those stories "existed" in her world, they were told to wizard babes throughout the years. In my mind to say that they aren't canon is like saying they don't exist in her universe... does that make sense? At least that is my interpretation of Canon vs Fanon.
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Re: Prequel to the Harry Potter series, books 1-7 « Reply #12 on Jun 11, 2008, 9:10pm »
You can read the HP Lexicon's take on the whole cannon issue here. There is an interesting bit in there about prioritizing the acknowledged canon sources as a means of resolving the conflicts within.
At any rate, I enjoyed the little snapshot. I'm so glad that it was written as prose instead of an outline. It struck me that Jo's handwriting bears a strong resemblance to that of an erstwhile Headmaster of Hogwarts School.
I loved the complete irreverence in the face of mortal peril--toying with the cops while the Death Eaters caught up. The name banter reminded me of passages from Fred and George. Classic stuff.
It was nice to read a passage showing Sirius in his prime; and James, you know, corporal . . . LOL
Re: Prequel to the Harry Potter series, books 1-7 « Reply #13 on Jun 11, 2008, 11:07pm »
That was a really interesting link, Todd - thanks.
Manda said everything I meant, but more eloquently than I explained...exactly what I was trying to convey.
I enjoyed reading the story (I agree about the handwriting...although I can't criticize as my own digresses over time). ...I wish there was more, but I was happy to know she had at least written a small story---any revisit to the world gives me hope.
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Re: Prequel to the Harry Potter series, books 1-7 « Reply #14 on Jun 13, 2008, 11:02am »
I'm not saying that the tales aren't canon. What I had perceived Jenny to saying was that, now we know the tales have been written, they lose their meaning because we don't know what they said. Which I disagree with. We don't need to know the specifics of the tales for them to be poignant. We just need to know they exist, and we do.
As for the 800 word "prequel" we don't know if that would have been included in her prequel or not. We don't know what significance it would play, if any at all. I think it's a GREAT jumping off point for Marauder writers. I know that they will use it in many upcoming fics and it'll be nice to see where their imagination takes us. After reading it, I don't see any problem using it as canon and having it not be canon. There isn't any pertinant information, that we didn't know. We know Sirius had a flying bike, we know that Sirius and James are best friends, we also know they were in the Order so it's very likely that Death Eaters would be coming after them. The story was just a sweet little anecdote to whet our palates.
Todd: That's an interesting article, thanks for bringing it up.
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